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IE8, Microsoft and the Reverse Fanboys

March 8, 2008 by ryan

Here we go again...

As the beta test of IE8 recently became available we are quickly approaching the release of another version of Internet Explorer. To the millions of web designers / developers out there, this can be a troubling time. Much frustration has been expressed about some of the issues (or supposed issues ) in this beta. Some of this concern is definitely understandable -- I mean, IE6 has been the bane of most web developers lives since it was released in 2001. However, I think some of the negativity is present just because it's a Microsoft product.


The Fanboy

The attitude of hating every Microsoft product just because it's Microsoft is something I would call reverse fanboyism. 

"Fanboy (sometimes spelt fanboi) is a term used to describe an individual who is devoted to a single fannish subject, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession. Fanboys remain loyal to their particular obsession." wiki

A reverse fanboy, is well, obviously the opposite -- someone who obsessively remains disloyal or passionately against a product.. no matter the circumstances. This mindset is just getting kind of old. I would completely agree about IE6 and IE7 showing little regard for web standards and being an overall headache to develop with, HOWEVER, Microsoft seems to be on a different path this time.


Your Perspective

When I was in elementary school, we would grade each other's writing assignments. The teacher would always tell us to give each other constructive criticism because an outside influence can give additional perspective or show errors that we previously didn't know existed. I hope we can take that same approach here. IE8 is still in beta test -- It is far from being a release ready product and there are still a number of issues. That being said, there are ways that those in the web development community can voice those concerns. It is important to make the IE8 developers aware of the issues as they come up so we don't have to live with the problems when IE8 is released.

 

How's it going to turn out?

Although it has a long way to go, IE8 is leaps and bounds better than its predecessors. I don't know that I will switch from Firefox but from a development standpoint, a standards compliant Internet Explorer seems like a dream come true (although we will probably need to support IE6 for who knows how long). I say we give the IE8 team a chance to fix the bugs (and voice issues as they become apparent) and see what comes out of it. What are your thoughts?

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March 9. 2008 11:13

wekempf

There's no evidence that the GMaps issue is an issue with IE8. It could well be that this is actually a case of exactly what Microsoft warned us about, standard by default breaking the web. There may well be IE6/7 workarounds in the GMaps code, that are still being applied to IE8 when they don't need to be, and thus the page "breaks".

When sites like this are found, don't jump to conclusions. Investigate what's causing the breakage, then report the problem to which ever party is responsible.

wekempf

March 9. 2008 12:00

Ryan Lanciaux

I agree that it could be because of an issue in the GMaps code, however, the browser crash definitely seems like an unintended side-effect that the IE8 devs will want to fix. That is not the point of this article though (I was just highlighting something that was predominantly discussed as an issue) -- basically, I am saying that if we find bugs or issues with IE8 we should report them.

Ryan Lanciaux

March 9. 2008 14:45

wekempf

I missed the bit about a crash. I've yet to experience a crash, though I've seen a few reported. To be expected in a beta, but by all means, it should also be reported (productively, which means reported to Microsoft and not posted in some blog). IE8 is certainly not perfect, but it's been very irritating to see all of the negative postings that have NO foundation in reality.

wekempf

March 9. 2008 15:38

Ryan Lanciaux

This was written in response to all the negativity I've been seeing. Really what I'm saying here is that any feedback / criticism should be constructive. All of the postings like "IE8 doesn't pass Acid2," etc. were completely ridiculous (as well as most of the other stuff I've seen that portrayed IE8 in a negative light). As I said in the posting, most of that seems to be coming from people who hate any Microsoft product no matter what.

Ryan Lanciaux

March 9. 2008 17:05

wekempf

Sorry, I wasn't criticizing your or this post. I'm mostly agreeing with you. The negativity is ridiculous.

wekempf

March 9. 2008 17:11

Ryan Lanciaux

Oh, no worries -- I was just trying to make sure I didn't come off sounding like the 'reverse fanboy' group Smile I know you weren't criticizing (and besides that I appreciate any feedback/input even if it is criticism). I just really wanted to make sure the point I am trying to make is clear.

Ryan Lanciaux

March 10. 2008 13:14

kL

The "supposed" issue is a real issue. They wrongly infer that fallback of insecure object is insecure itself.
It's not a security problem per se, it's a problem with IE8's weird implementation of fallback.

I'm very happy that they're fixing things. Kudos for getting CSS2.1 mostly working, but I'm going to be "reverse fanboy" on issues that are still broken.

kL

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